[2025-07-28 17:30:16] <cow> Luckily 90% of -chat doesn't have a brain to get hacked
<Arsen> never convinced me
[2025-07-28 17:30:22] <Arsen> cow: on gkd
[2025-07-28 17:30:37] <ralfalfa> lol @ cow
[2025-07-28 17:30:46] <cihancan> i know its hard to believe but you will undertand what i mean clearly if you ever attend
[2025-07-28 17:30:57] <ralfalfa> I can barely code an ebuild cow...
[2025-07-28 17:31:17] <cow> cihancan: Is it possible to use hypnosis to give people basic reasoning capabilities
[2025-07-28 17:31:42] <She> You can hypnotize a horse to go to water, but you can't make it drink.
[2025-07-28 17:31:49] <tt_1> btw, one of the most controversial german neo-nazis has died
[2025-07-28 17:31:51] <cow> I mean
[2025-07-28 17:31:55] <cow> In theory
[2025-07-28 17:32:02] <cow> you could probably make it drink
[2025-07-28 17:32:22] <cow> tt_1: As opposed to the uncontroversial ones?
[2025-07-28 17:32:24] <tt_1> he started in the marxists extreme left of the 1970's, and turned into a neo faschist in the 1990's
[2025-07-28 17:33:01] <tt_1> controversial, because he switched sides in the political game
[2025-07-28 17:33:29] <tt_1> and he also served noticable prison time for holocaust denial stuff I believe
[2025-07-28 17:33:31] <ralfalfa> Was he for usury, that kind of switch?
[2025-07-28 17:34:10] <tt_1> usury? excuse me?
[2025-07-28 17:34:36] <ralfalfa> Nazis hated usury, pr0n and lgbqtcia stuff.
[2025-07-28 17:34:39] <ralfalfa> afaik
[2025-07-28 17:34:47] <tt_1> you clearly know nothing
[2025-07-28 17:34:49] <DrEeevil> tt_1: or maybe everyone else shifted while he stood still ;)
[2025-07-28 17:34:59] <tt_1> no, I don't think so
[2025-07-28 17:35:06] <ralfalfa> So, if he switched political sides, he did what exactly?
[2025-07-28 17:35:20] <tt_1> some people are so callus, they always want to be against mainstream
[2025-07-28 17:35:24] <ralfalfa> tt_1: what books did the Nazis burn? come on man
[2025-07-28 17:35:41] <cow> What the fuck is -chat on today
[2025-07-28 17:35:42] <tt_1> again, you clearly know nothing about this
[2025-07-28 17:35:44] <ralfalfa> We know they hated that agenda, Berlin was a brothel, Weimar republic.
[2025-07-28 17:37:11] <ralfalfa> Well, I started asking around about German speech laws, then asked about natural gas prices.
[2025-07-28 17:37:29] <ralfalfa> The truth is out there, we just need to find it.
[2025-07-28 17:37:51] <cow> The truth is SELinux needs a new polcap for polver 35 to cut the internet cables of people on irc
[2025-07-28 17:38:04] <tt_1> haha
[2025-07-28 17:38:06] <ztrawhcse> gen52: b ralfalfa 24h no antisemitism today please, also no "lincoln was assassinated by the jewish banking cabal" please
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[2025-07-28 17:38:29] <Nickli> thought it was a new attempt
[2025-07-28 17:38:44] <tt_1> you can ask the russians, they're professionals at cutting internet cables with 50t anchors from tanker :)
[2025-07-28 17:39:22] <cihancan> cow: everything is possible
[2025-07-28 17:39:41] <cihancan> you can even make a super naive lgbtqia to kill their mother
[2025-07-28 17:39:45] <muffindrake> What the fuck, you can't go away to assemble a table without some nutcase denying the holocaust
[2025-07-28 17:39:57] <muffindrake> Is there something in the water?
[2025-07-28 17:40:02] <tt_1> maybe
[2025-07-28 17:40:15] <genr8eofl> the hypnosis nobody wants to believe in.
[2025-07-28 17:40:32] <cihancan> actually its super real and very easy to hypnose sane and intelligent people
[2025-07-28 17:40:45] <cihancan> the thing is if you can concentrate you can get hypnosed
[2025-07-28 17:40:46] <tt_1> here everyone is pissed because of eu - us trade deal
[2025-07-28 17:41:01] <cihancan> if you can conentrate very well you get hypnosed much easier
[2025-07-28 17:41:25] <cihancan> like in 10 seconds
<tt_1> oh great, then I'll never fall to that trick
[2025-07-28 17:41:32] <tt_1> attention span of a moscito
[2025-07-28 17:41:42] <cihancan> memory of a fish
[2025-07-28 17:42:00] <tt_1> thats another issue
[2025-07-28 17:42:16] <cihancan> there are hypnosis masters that can hypnose you in a few seconds
[2025-07-28 17:42:22] <cihancan> like 3
[2025-07-28 17:42:52] * Nickli smacks cihancan for no reason
[2025-07-28 17:43:17] <zedmatrix> wow after a 160 package update, only 4 packages to depclean :)
[2025-07-28 17:44:03] * cihancan cries
[2025-07-28 17:44:04] <lemons> you're to actually depclean?
[2025-07-28 17:44:16] <lemons> never bothered myself, huh
[2025-07-28 17:44:48] <zedmatrix> i build from the source, i don't use the binpkgs
[2025-07-28 17:44:58] <cihancan> anyone ever wonder?
[2025-07-28 17:45:01] <cihancan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnHUTNtMXFY
[2025-07-28 17:45:02] <chat> ^  ► YouTube :: Really quick Handshake Induction demo & breakdown (shot on phone) :: Duration: 01:56 :: Views: 46,386 :: Uploader: Rory Z Hypnotist :: Uploaded: 2016-05-20 :: 360 likes
[2025-07-28 17:45:07] <cihancan> watch from 50 seconds
[2025-07-28 17:45:22] <cihancan> first he checks if his attention is on him by looking at ceiling without a reason
[2025-07-28 17:45:32] <cihancan> and once he makes sure he is following him he acts
[2025-07-28 17:45:40] <cihancan> that not more than 5 seconds
[2025-07-28 17:46:15] <zedmatrix> but i do haveto reboot to refresh the nvidia drivers
[2025-07-28 17:47:47] <cihancan> rory z is a professional hypnotist all of his videos are real.
[2025-07-28 17:48:28] <cihancan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS1kh3r-z8g
<chat> ^  ► YouTube :: Back Yard Hypnosis Uncut :: Duration: 17:08 :: Views: 43,891 :: Uploader: Rory Z Hypnotist :: Uploaded: 2016-07-01 :: 350 likes
[2025-07-28 17:48:38] <cihancan> this is the funniest of videos ive ever see about hypnosis
[2025-07-28 17:49:01] <cihancan> also scary
[2025-07-28 17:49:12] <cihancan> knowing how easy one could hack your brain
[2025-07-28 17:49:57] <tt_1> social media hacks your brain any day
[2025-07-28 17:50:13] <cihancan> yes
[2025-07-28 17:50:24] <cihancan> but if you dont believe you cant defend yourself
[2025-07-28 17:50:35] <cihancan> i recommend to research about it
[2025-07-28 17:50:58] * zedmatrix thinks should setup a better shortcut for my radio
[2025-07-28 17:51:09] <username234> cihancan: that's a fun thing about hypnosis. If you don't believe it's possible, you can't be hypnotized...
[2025-07-28 17:51:18] <cihancan> username234: no you can
[2025-07-28 17:51:29] <cihancan> a good hynosis master can easily hynose you
[2025-07-28 17:51:39] <cihancan> thats a lie for the people with bad intentions
[2025-07-28 17:51:51] <cihancan> because its really dangerous
[2025-07-28 17:52:26] <cihancan> i mean they lie to keep bad people away from exploiting people
[2025-07-28 17:52:55] <cihancan> for sure there are things that youre not going to do under hypnosis but they are not certain
[2025-07-28 17:53:09] <cihancan> with some dedication by hypnoser its really possible to make anyone do anything
[2025-07-28 17:53:34] <cihancan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB2lX0XDPHk
[2025-07-28 17:53:35] <chat> ^  ► YouTube :: "I Can Convince a Stranger to Commit Murder in 40 Min." | Chase Hughes :: Duration: 08:30 :: Views: 11,969 :: Uploader: Danny Jones Clips :: Uploaded: 2025-01-06 :: 281 likes
[2025-07-28 17:54:11] <cihancan> i hate the 281 people who liked it
[2025-07-28 17:54:27] <cihancan> but it is true
[2025-07-28 17:54:51] <cihancan> yo can give your target an unbearable pain and tell him/her: to end it you need to kill this guy
[2025-07-28 17:55:06] <cihancan> its all about believe
[2025-07-28 17:55:14] <cihancan> everything is
[2025-07-28 17:57:23] <Viperlin> I can rob a bank when all i have to do is make a youtube video saying i can
[2025-07-28 17:58:09] <cihancan> dont tell me internet is %99.9 lies
[2025-07-28 17:58:11] <ximon> revolt is a pretty cool app who ever suggested it
[2025-07-28 17:58:19] <ximon> it is not e2e
[2025-07-28 17:58:22] <ximon> nice people
[2025-07-28 17:58:28] <Viperlin> cihancan: that seems like a low percentage
[2025-07-28 17:58:35] <genr8eofl> people just have vulnerabilities in them
[2025-07-28 17:58:38] <cihancan> yes
[2025-07-28 17:58:41] <cihancan> thank you
[2025-07-28 17:58:49] <Viperlin> genr8eofl: like you with eggs
[2025-07-28 17:58:52] <ximon> genr8eofl in revolt?
[2025-07-28 17:58:54] <L3M0R> Viperlin what logic is that 😅
<cihancan> and the ones that is going to easily accept these are you guys
[2025-07-28 17:59:11] <genr8eofl> yeah. eveytime you mention eggs, i think about how hungry I am and how good eggs are
[2025-07-28 17:59:15] <genr8eofl> then I go make the eggs
[2025-07-28 17:59:24] <genr8eofl> in fact there is 1 cooked egg left. brb
[2025-07-28 17:59:31] <Viperlin> L3M0R: same as the youtube. I can do anything when I don't actually have to do it
[2025-07-28 17:59:33] <ximon> is there a way to install revolt on gentoo?
[2025-07-28 17:59:35] <cihancan> i mean when i say dont dream the albino snakes
[2025-07-28 17:59:42] <cihancan> you dream them
[2025-07-28 17:59:48] <ximon> I dont even know which version I have systemd or openrc
<cihancan> that makes you vulnerable
[2025-07-28 17:59:50] <Viperlin> L3M0R: same logic idiotic criminals have before trying to do it xD
[2025-07-28 17:59:59] <Viperlin> how hard could it be you just go in and ask for the money
[2025-07-28 18:00:11] <cihancan> no escape
[2025-07-28 18:00:21] <ximon> I am blue
[2025-07-28 18:00:25] <ximon> daba dee daba dai
[2025-07-28 18:00:33] <ztrawhcse> gen52: b ximon 24h ban evasion
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[2025-07-28 18:00:35] <Viperlin> daba dee daba dai
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[2025-07-28 18:00:59] <cihancan> i remember ximon banned before
[2025-07-28 18:01:03] <Viperlin> and now that's tuck in my head
[2025-07-28 18:01:12] <sam_> he should be banned just for that
[2025-07-28 18:01:25] <Viperlin> he was
[2025-07-28 18:01:28] <cihancan> language makes you vulnerable to hypnosis
[2025-07-28 18:01:33] <Nickli> think this is his 3rd band
[2025-07-28 18:01:59] <cihancan> :)
[2025-07-28 18:02:07] <cihancan> i also dont have a job
[2025-07-28 18:02:11] <Viperlin> Nickli: was he kicked out of blue man group?
[2025-07-28 18:02:56] <Nickli> Viperlin, he was a help vampire earlier, about not wanting a 4chan like chat service which ended with him suggesting a 4chan chat-service
[2025-07-28 18:03:05] <Viperlin> i saw that
[2025-07-28 18:03:16] <Nickli> oh right, BAND
[2025-07-28 18:03:19] <Viperlin> just wanted to play on the band typo :D
[2025-07-28 18:03:47] <Nickli> some vitamine-D snuck in
[2025-07-28 18:04:09] <Viperlin> i can't think of a third though. Eifel65, blue man group....
[2025-07-28 18:04:26] <Nickli> the smurfs?
[2025-07-28 18:04:30] <genr8eofl> Rick Astley
[2025-07-28 18:04:38] <cihancan> dont leave me gentoo
[2025-07-28 18:04:42] <Viperlin> i don't think smurf music exists
[2025-07-28 18:04:46] <Nickli> or the diva from 5th element
[2025-07-28 18:04:49] <Nickli> Viperlin, there is
[2025-07-28 18:04:52] <Viperlin> Nickli: i'l take it
[2025-07-28 18:04:54] <genr8eofl> bohemian rhapsody
[2025-07-28 18:05:15] <Viperlin> she was very blue
[2025-07-28 18:05:18] <cihancan> dont give up on me gentoo
[2025-07-28 18:05:32] <cihancan> rick gentley
[2025-07-28 18:05:40] <Nickli> Viperlin, https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ15ADoB1Ja079M5g8-k8-5Z04rlOIxSo
[2025-07-28 18:05:49] <chat> ^ üéµSmurfs' music albums - YouTube
[2025-07-28 18:06:13] <Viperlin> i have regrets
[2025-07-28 18:06:34] <cihancan> my cat carries his babies when i open my room window
[2025-07-28 18:06:40] <cihancan> it has a mosquito barrier but
[2025-07-28 18:06:48] <cihancan> how to explain that to her
[2025-07-28 18:06:57] <Nickli> emotional support kittens?
[2025-07-28 18:07:18] <cihancan> yeah
[2025-07-28 18:07:28] <cihancan> i need that badly
[2025-07-28 18:08:50] <Viperlin> microsoft may be dumb
[2025-07-28 18:09:01] <cihancan> please no i used even windows 3.11
[2025-07-28 18:09:25] <Nickli> thought it couldnt get any better after Windows 2?
[2025-07-28 18:09:34] <cihancan> 640kb was ok
[2025-07-28 18:09:41] <cihancan> never needed all that bloat
[2025-07-28 18:10:13] <Viperlin> cihancan: the right wingers here would like that
[2025-07-28 18:10:19] <Viperlin> they keep going on about stopping the bloats
[2025-07-28 18:11:16] <cihancan> :0
[2025-07-28 18:11:29] <cihancan> im a right winger
<tt_1> btw
[2025-07-28 18:11:45] <tt_1> is someone calling Simon also a dog whistle?
[2025-07-28 18:11:52] <Nickli> yet the glaciers are growing at an alarming rat
<tt_1> that persons name isn't Simon, ofc
[2025-07-28 18:12:16] <Viperlin> Nickli: does the rat need comforting, are the glaciers scaring it
<pask> rats are alarming
[2025-07-28 18:12:34] <cihancan> i have 4 cats
[2025-07-28 18:12:44] <Nickli> *rates
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[2025-07-28 18:16:30] <Viperlin> cihancan: is one of the cats called Leonardo
[2025-07-28 18:16:56] <Viperlin> or Blanchet
[2025-07-28 18:22:43] <Viperlin> cihancan: Gul Ducat?
[2025-07-28 18:23:45] <Nickli> a yellow italian race bike?
[2025-07-28 18:23:54] <Viperlin> lol
[2025-07-28 18:23:59] <Viperlin> ducatis are red
[2025-07-28 18:24:02] <Nickli> or counterfeit currency?
[2025-07-28 18:25:01] <Nickli> specificly yellow painted wood coins
[2025-07-28 18:29:50] <cihancan> Viperlin: nice names
[2025-07-28 18:29:56] <cihancan> i havent named them at all
[2025-07-28 18:30:05] <cihancan> mother is bahar(spring)
[2025-07-28 18:31:41] <ancienttoilet> good evening
[2025-07-28 18:32:56] <ztrawhcse> https://pivot-to-ai.com/2025/07/28/microsoft-copilot-ais-official-avatar-looks-like-a-blob-of-semen/
[2025-07-28 18:32:57] <chat> ^ Microsoft Copilot AI’s official avatar looks like a blob of semen – Pivot to AI
[2025-07-28 18:33:26] <hangint3n> groooss
[2025-07-28 18:34:04] <genr8eofl> why does the blob have to be white
[2025-07-28 18:34:07] <ztrawhcse> >>>    I’m also excited about, like, the visual appearance. Like, Copilot will certainly have a kind of permanent, you know, identity, a presence. And it will have a room that it lives in, and it will age.
[2025-07-28 18:34:08] <ztrawhcse> > Microsoft is going to give the Copilot Blob a little room to live in and grow old. Yes, they’ve reinvented Microsoft Bob. At least Bob gave us Comic Sans.
[2025-07-28 18:34:33] <genr8eofl> yeah. Microsoft Blob. I like that
[2025-07-28 18:34:41] <Nickli> bloat!
[2025-07-28 18:36:38] <zgu> FINALLY taught myself how to make a .dir-locals.el to set indent-tabs-mode file for editing source packages from upstreams that like to use tabs instead of tabs
[2025-07-28 18:36:40] <eroen> boat?
[2025-07-28 18:36:51] <Arsen> add-dir-local-variables?
[2025-07-28 18:37:01] <zgu> and wasted 10 minutes trying to figure out why it wasn't working because i forgot a ) at the end of the whole thing
[2025-07-28 18:37:05] <eroen> ecma-lisp
[2025-07-28 18:37:08] <ztrawhcse> eroen: the l in bloat is boat?
[2025-07-28 18:37:11] <genr8eofl> has anyone heard of this "Colin & Samir Podcast" ?
[2025-07-28 18:37:22] <Nickli> i havent
[2025-07-28 18:37:25] <zgu> oh didn't know about add-dir-local-variables
[2025-07-28 18:37:31] <Nickli> genr8eofl, what about it?
[2025-07-28 18:37:59] <genr8eofl> I just wonder who they are
[2025-07-28 18:38:06] <eroen> ztrawhcse: yes. it's bboatoat if you spell it out, but usually people think that's just pointles bboatboat.
[2025-07-28 18:39:18] <ztrawhcse> the o in bloat is blat
[2025-07-28 18:39:29] <ztrawhcse> blt: tastier than bloat
[2025-07-28 18:39:34] <eroen> zgu: you should integrate an ai assistant for detecting if a project uses spaces or tabs
[2025-07-28 18:39:36] <zgu> the docs mention customize-dirlocals, but that apparently doesn't exist in 28, which is what the first machine i tried this on had installed
[2025-07-28 18:40:12] <zgu> yeah i'm actually a little disappointed it doesn't have some kind of auto-style-detector yet
[2025-07-28 18:41:01] <genr8eofl> .editorconfig
[2025-07-28 18:41:41] <eroen> modelines ftw
[2025-07-28 18:42:10] <zgu> editorconfig is also only in the newest version
[2025-07-28 18:43:06] <zgu> but a much better method since different people can use different editors more easily
[2025-07-28 18:43:13] <genr8eofl> how come we dont have much AI LLMs locally
[2025-07-28 18:44:01] <genr8eofl> only the absolute nerds nerded out to set up their pet AI, its not really being integrated into programs
[2025-07-28 18:45:33] <parona> there is no business in local llms. easier to extract cash per request to an api
[2025-07-28 18:46:13] <genr8eofl> yeah. but open source could make one
[2025-07-28 18:46:47] <genr8eofl> reduce the cash grab instead of contribute to it
[2025-07-28 18:47:12] <parona> and there are those. this is just the explanation for why there isnt a deluge of local llms
[2025-07-28 18:47:40] <Arsen> editorconfig is nice
[2025-07-28 18:47:44] <genr8eofl> im not paying for any llms
[2025-07-28 18:47:47] <Arsen>  19:46:13 <genr8eofl> yeah. but open source could make one
<Arsen> they did
[2025-07-28 18:47:55] <genr8eofl> what was did
[2025-07-28 18:48:09] <Arsen> but what does open-source mean for a bunch of parameters you got from stolen data?
[2025-07-28 18:48:10] <parona> the current mass of cloud llm's exist because they think there is money in it. there isnt a mass nerds training llm's for the masses that can be easily hosted locally
[2025-07-28 18:48:14] <Arsen> published parameters?  doesn't mean much
[2025-07-28 18:48:28] <genr8eofl> is that why they get stuck?
[2025-07-28 18:48:52] <genr8eofl> they have to pretend to care about the training data :p
[2025-07-28 18:50:10] <parona> there is a reason why the cloud llms have been ddossing every website the last year. nerds just simply cant complete with that with the power of software communism
[2025-07-28 18:51:00] <genr8eofl> we lost ?
[2025-07-28 18:52:02] <parona> maybe another deepseek moment will happen. the cutting edge will be always be elusive on the locally hosted front, its just a matter of it being good enough to some end
[2025-07-28 18:52:23] <parona> for example kde has some llm integration for kmail
[2025-07-28 18:52:38] <genr8eofl> how do they do it locally
[2025-07-28 18:52:43] <parona> it can use a locally hosted ollama for it
[2025-07-28 18:53:03] <parona> there is also ffmpeg-8 with whisper. but thats not an llm afaik
[2025-07-28 18:53:19] <parona> but under the same nebulous umbrella of ai
[2025-07-28 18:53:25] <genr8eofl> what is it
[2025-07-28 18:53:40] <parona> transliteration from audio
[2025-07-28 18:53:57] <parona> https://github.com/ggml-org/whisper.cpp
[2025-07-28 18:54:03] <chat> ^ GitHub - ggml-org/whisper.cpp: Port of OpenAI's Whisper model in C/C++
[2025-07-28 18:54:07] <genr8eofl> ok
[2025-07-28 18:54:22] <genr8eofl> this is good
[2025-07-28 19:03:56] <parona> slight correction. the whisper stuff **may** get into ffmpeg-8. that was just my memory from reading phoronix
[2025-07-28 19:04:07] <parona> > One feature that is not yet merged for FFmpeg 8.0 but could potentially make it in time is this recent work on adding OpenAI Whisper audio filter support to FFmpeg. This could provide AI-driven live subtitles/transcription support with FFmpeg.
[2025-07-28 19:04:08] <parona> https://www.phoronix.com/news/FFmpeg-8.0-Coming-Soon
[2025-07-28 19:04:09] <chat> ^ FFmpeg 8.0 Preparing For Release In August With Many Great Features - Phoronix
[2025-07-28 19:05:05] <tt_1> wuhu
[2025-07-28 19:05:12] <sam_> the killer feature in ffmpeg-8 will hopefully be not forcing -fno-tree-vectorize
[2025-07-28 19:05:26] <Jannik2099> lol
[2025-07-28 19:13:59] <xiaomiao> oh the comedy
[2025-07-28 19:14:10] <xiaomiao> parona: /dev/urandom is almost as competent ;)
[2025-07-28 19:14:47] <genr8eofl> why are they making so many versions of ffmpeg
[2025-07-28 19:20:32] <eroen> genr8eofl: llama.cpp is a thing, you can just use it. All the people wanting to make money from ai only advertise their services, just like you don't see a lot of commercials for growing your own food, only for buying whatever someone is making money from.
[2025-07-28 19:22:43] <genr8eofl> thats not good enough, it has to be integrated
[2025-07-28 19:41:44] <genr8eofl> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenVINO
[2025-07-28 19:41:49] <chat> ^ OpenVINO is an open-source software toolkit for optimizing and deploying deep learning models. It enables programmers to develop scalable and efficient AI solutions with relatively few lines of code.
[2025-07-28 19:42:02] <genr8eofl> https://github.com/openvinotoolkit/openvino
<chat> ^ GitHub - openvinotoolkit/openvino: OpenVINO™ is an open source toolkit for optimizing and deploying AI inference
[2025-07-28 19:45:41] <eroen> genr8eofl: this you? https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gange-Rolv
<chat> ^ Gange-Rolv var en norsk vikinghøvding og sagafigur som egentlig het Hrólfr Rögnvaldsson og var sønn av Ragnvald Mørejarl, kjent som jarlen som klippet Harald Hårfagre etter at Norge var samlet til ett rike.
[2025-07-28 19:48:18] <genr8eofl> uhh nop
[2025-07-28 19:48:41] <eroen> cool, just checking
[2025-07-28 20:01:00] <L3M0R> I just saw that blob, just eww coming from Microsoft.
[2025-07-28 20:47:18] <eroen> For some reason google doesn't let me open the photos on Maps, but our offices have a giant sperm in the ceiling, with rgb leds and all.
[2025-07-28 20:48:51] <eroen> Ah, here it is: https://files.testnearme.org/location_images/location-2353c.jpg
<chat> ^ [image/jpeg] (247.8KiB)
[2025-07-28 20:48:56] <eroen> Just had to turn off safe search
[2025-07-28 21:14:32] <l3m0r> In the event that drugs (including alcohol) played a part in events leading up to your exclusion, please wait 24 hours. The ban may have expired by then anyway.
[2025-07-28 21:14:36] <l3m0r> Umm....
[2025-07-28 21:14:50] <l3m0r> That can happen?
[2025-07-28 21:15:29] <l3m0r> Why would one spend time drinking and shit talking on IRC?
[2025-07-28 21:17:02] <l3m0r> and why does this exists? https://hypernova.awfulnet.org/gentoo-chat.html
[2025-07-28 21:18:27] <ztrawhcse> l3m0r: history has shown that people do, for some inexplicable reason, get drunk and stir up trouble in IRC
[2025-07-28 21:18:54] <l3m0r> Fair
[2025-07-28 21:19:41] <sam_> it genuinely happens more than you might think
[2025-07-28 21:20:00] <NeddySeagoon> l3m0r: That page exits becase in can. Thats a good enough reason for anything in Gentoo
[2025-07-28 21:20:37] <l3m0r> sam_: whoa!
[2025-07-28 21:22:50] <l3m0r> NeddySeagoon: Hmm
[2025-07-28 21:22:55] <l3m0r> looks nice though
[2025-07-28 21:24:51] <l3m0r> oh, it works for the whole libera chat too!
[2025-07-28 21:31:06] <l3m0r> For appeals, one can file a bug? huh?
[2025-07-28 21:36:10] <Tom^> anyone know of a -9999 rust ebuild i can look at, trying to make my own of a unpackaged software
[2025-07-28 21:37:05] <kgdrenefort> I am so tired, I woke up at 6:30 am, took the care at 8am for a ~6h drives… then 10 minutes after I parked, I started the first days. Hours of explaination of how works the company and reading contract and signing paper.
[2025-07-28 21:37:12] <parona> Tom^: https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/dev-util/pkgcruft/pkgcruft-9999.ebuild
<chat> ^ pkgcruft-9999.ebuild « pkgcruft « dev-util - repo/gentoo.git - Official Gentoo ebuild repository
[2025-07-28 21:37:13] <kgdrenefort> how are my gentoo fellah
[2025-07-28 21:37:20] <Tom^> parona: thanks
[2025-07-28 21:37:52] <selckin> find /var/db/repos/gentoo -name '*999*' -exec grep -H 'inherit.*cargo' {} \+
[2025-07-28 21:38:24] <Alfr> kgdrenefort, it supposedly hurts: Fell, ah!
[2025-07-28 21:38:54] <kgdrenefort> falling always do
[2025-07-28 21:39:04] <kgdrenefort> specially from a 10 stage flat.
[2025-07-28 21:47:44] <Tom^> parona: i hate rust, both pycargobuild and manually making this one makes it still hit. error: could not find `Cargo.toml` in `/var/tmp/portage/gui-apps/matugen-2.4.1/work/matugen-2.4.1` or any parent directory
[2025-07-28 21:47:48] <muffindrake> I set up my new desk
[2025-07-28 21:48:08] <muffindrake> It was a herculean task to redecorate but it was worth it
[2025-07-28 21:50:11] <parona> Tom^: what source ball are you using?
[2025-07-28 21:50:18] <parona> just so that I could look at it
[2025-07-28 21:50:28] <z6np> muffindrake, I put together this workbench a while back, wow was there a lot of little screws, no manual in the box either but I found it online.
[2025-07-28 21:50:58] <Tom^> parona: https://github.com/InioX/matugen , the current ebuild now. https://bpa.st/HS2A
[2025-07-28 21:51:14] <chat> ^ GitHub - InioX/matugen: A material you color generation tool
[2025-07-28 21:51:18] <parona> dont use that S
[2025-07-28 21:51:29] <parona> its specific for pkgcraft
<muffindrake> The manual for my desk that consists of pure chinese pragmatism, was missing the paper manual. Though they do provide a video online.
[2025-07-28 21:51:57] <parona> ideally dont set any S
[2025-07-28 21:52:03] <Tom^> parona: ok :p
[2025-07-28 21:52:11] <muffindrake> There was one screw I couldn't insert because of manufacturing tolerances, but it isn't a load-bearing screw so it's whatever
[2025-07-28 21:52:17] <z6np> I put my desk together too, its a "gaming desk" whatever that means, that wasn't too bad.
[2025-07-28 21:53:00] <muffindrake> I just have a 2m by 0.7m plate with no extras
[2025-07-28 21:53:06] <Tom^> parona: yeah that solved it heh
[2025-07-28 21:53:08] <muffindrake> (except legs and a platform)
[2025-07-28 21:53:13] <z6np> I could use another big desk tbh
[2025-07-28 21:53:36] <l3m0r> This is nice! https://gentoo-chat.org/griz.txt .Who's griz64?
<chat> ^ [text/plain] (14.3KiB)
[2025-07-28 21:53:48] <z6np> l3m0r, he was an old-time OP
[2025-07-28 21:53:59] <l3m0r> ok
[2025-07-28 21:54:49] <z6np> griz64 used to kick people for swearing in chat a lot, back then it was forbidden
[2025-07-28 21:57:13] <l3m0r> That used to be the case in plenty of networks. Time has changed.
[2025-07-28 21:58:12] <eroen> griz was a real unix old-timer.
[2025-07-28 21:58:40] <ztrawhcse> honestly I'm still okay with kicking people for swearing
[2025-07-28 21:59:12] <ztrawhcse> especially that cow fellow who is always swearing in front of children
[2025-07-28 21:59:22] <l3m0r> what children?
[2025-07-28 21:59:43] <ztrawhcse> well, cow is a child and when he swears, it's in front of himself...
[2025-07-28 21:59:52] <kgdrenefort> ztrawhcse: *use Lucy's voice* do it do it do it !
[2025-07-28 22:01:38] <l3m0r> Think he's old enough to setup an IRC.
[2025-07-28 22:03:46] <ztrawhcse> sam_: xgettext "emergency": doesn't support rust :p so people are writing rust crates that have to be used instead of meson i18n.gettext()
[2025-07-28 22:04:08] <sam_> I actually thought bruno added support very recently?
[2025-07-28 22:05:28] <eroen> Aww. Tom Lehrer died. :(
[2025-07-28 22:06:00] <eroen> .yt poisoning pidgeons in the park
[2025-07-28 22:06:01] <chat>  ► YouTube :: https://youtu.be/yhuMLpdnOjY :: Tom Lehrer - Poisoning Pigeons In The Park :: Duration: 02:17 :: Views: 5,215,829 :: Uploader: The Tom Lehrer Wisdom Channel :: Uploaded: 2007-10-01 :: 60,038 likes :: 0 dislikes :: 0 favorites :: 2,397 comments
[2025-07-28 22:12:58] <soloslinger> ztrawhcse: I do miss the language rules.
[2025-07-28 22:13:00] <ztrawhcse> sam_: indeed it's in the online manual!
[2025-07-28 22:13:42] <soloslinger> Though, that said, with it removed I woulda expected decorum to plumet.  That doesn't seem to have happened.
[2025-07-28 22:18:17] <eroen> hi soloslinger
[2025-07-28 22:19:45] <eroen> l3m0r: https://web.archive.org/web/20180310030947/https://gchat.gentooligans.com/
<chat> ^ Gentoo Chat | Where all the OPs wear steel-toes boots!
[2025-07-28 22:21:26] <soloslinger> eroen: Ellos!
[2025-07-28 22:21:29] <Arsen> oh i forgot that "Users must not attack others' views - be they religious or political. Everyone has their own right to follow what they believe to be their own path in life." is a rule
[2025-07-28 22:21:42] <Arsen> trash rule, I reserve the right to tell antisemites to fuck off
[2025-07-28 22:21:48] <Arsen> and other conspiracists
[2025-07-28 22:23:13] <eroen> the view "I reserve the right to attack people from the middle east" kinda disqualifies itself by causing a paradox though
[2025-07-28 22:23:20] <z6np> It was better before we actually had a codified list of rules, imo.
[2025-07-28 22:23:49] <z6np> make a list and somebody will misabuse it >.<
[2025-07-28 22:25:02] <l3m0r> eroen: aaaahahahahahaaa 🤣🤣🤣🤣
[2025-07-28 22:25:25] <ztrawhcse> soloslinger: we still randomly kick people for doing it "too much" :p
[2025-07-28 22:25:55] <l3m0r> No 13. Bad luck rule omitted.
[2025-07-28 22:26:39] <eroen> there used to be a thriving #gentoo-chat-exile for people who liked swearing :)
[2025-07-28 22:28:26] <ztrawhcse> I think I may have been told that one gets used for more than just swearing
[2025-07-28 22:28:42] <l3m0r> exile sounds like a heaven to me
[2025-07-28 22:30:22] <l3m0r> There's a rule for ASCII art too lmao
[2025-07-28 22:30:35] <l3m0r> Time has changed :)
[2025-07-28 22:38:30] <username234> eroen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCJgC2zezw
<chat> ^  ► YouTube :: Tom Lehrer: New Math :: Duration: 04:29 :: Views: 494,515 :: Uploader: lipsynchORswim :: Uploaded: 2010-04-10 :: 3,155 likes
[2025-07-28 22:38:53] <eroen> oh no not fractions
[2025-07-28 22:40:11] <username234> eroen: make sure to stay behind and clean the erasers
[2025-07-28 22:42:01] <soloslinger> ztrawhcse: True.  It is still policed.
[2025-07-28 22:43:03] <soloslinger> eroen: It still exists.
[2025-07-28 22:43:29] <eroen> username234: I didn't get 1 tho :(
[2025-07-28 22:43:33] <soloslinger> Amusingly, people get kicked/banned out of that too.
[2025-07-28 22:44:11] <eroen> soloslinger: It seems to be invite only. is bonsaikitten handing out the invites still?
[2025-07-28 22:46:14] <ztrawhcse> soloslinger: fractions still exist?
[2025-07-28 22:46:31] <soloslinger> eroen: Nah.  If I understand correctly, Libera and Gentoo didn't want it named something that was in the #gentoo-* space.
[2025-07-28 22:47:07] <soloslinger> bbbuuuttt if you spell it backwards....
[2025-07-28 22:59:06] <Viperlin> soloslinger: ti
[2025-07-28 22:59:25] <soloslinger> Viperlin is a witch!
[2025-07-28 23:01:31] <Viperlin> are you saying i weigh more than a duck
[2025-07-28 23:05:29] <eroen> no, we're saying your husband owns property in islands off south america, and the miners hate you
[2025-07-28 23:06:52] <soloslinger> Viperlin:  I've held some fat ducks.
[2025-07-28 23:10:46] <Viperlin> eroen: thatcher was married?!
[2025-07-28 23:12:07] <xiaomiao> eroen: blame sam
[2025-07-28 23:12:24] <Arsen>  00:10:45 <Viperlin> eroen: thatcher was married?!
<Arsen> yeah, to satan
[2025-07-28 23:12:47] <Viperlin> please do not upset satan with these unfounded claims
[2025-07-28 23:15:13] <eroen> yah, it's more of a polycule, not bigamy
[2025-07-28 23:41:02] <Digit> poll tax ended thatcher... and there's increasing similar dislike of council tax...
[2025-07-28 23:41:38] <Viperlin> you say that like people enjoy other taxes
[2025-07-28 23:43:41] <Digit> well, its the level of unenforceability, and the recognition of its illegitimacy, and since 2023 there's case law (leighton vs bristow & Sutor) to further coroborate legal and lawful arguments against it.
[2025-07-28 23:44:24] <Viperlin> sounds like some nonsense from facebook
[2025-07-28 23:44:37] <Digit> ?  ...  huh?
[2025-07-28 23:46:43] <Viperlin> you just claimed you can't enforce council tax
[2025-07-28 23:46:53] <Viperlin> ask anybody whos avoided paying it
[2025-07-28 23:47:23] <Viperlin> illegitimacy claims come from conspiracy theorists effectively. it's enitely legal and legitimate
[2025-07-28 23:48:10] <Viperlin> the rest is "you are not a lawyer" nonsense that you can't judge or disprove it's just there with big words to add legitimacy
[2025-07-28 23:49:40] <sam_> oh dear
[2025-07-28 23:51:34] <Digit> okay, i think we might be done here, but i'll try....  you're saying i said something, that i clearly did not just say.  level of unenforceability != can't enforce.  many councils are doubling down despite the case law, but their con's time's running out.  and, yes, i have heard from many who have not been paying, or using unreachable conditional acceptance to postpone, or using financial instruments that make the creditor liable or pay
<Digit> from treasury or cestui qui vie trust or promisary, or, as in the case law scuppering them on their own not following their own rules (because they cant)... and there are many other avenues yet.
[2025-07-28 23:51:59] <kgdrenefort> deer? Where's me rifle.
[2025-07-28 23:52:38] <Digit> heh, "conspiracy theorists", ah, well, there's the winning argument.  yus.  use that dismissive name calling.  ... or maybe we could look again at graham's heirarchy of disagreement.
[2025-07-28 23:57:51] <Viperlin> https://www.imdb.com/title/tt26843513/
<chat> ^  IMDb  :: Sovereign (2025, United States, [R], Crime, Drama, Thriller, 100 min) :: IMDb: 6.4 | MC: 68% | RT: 93% :: A father and son who identify as Sovereign Citizens, a group of anti-government extremists, find themselves in a standoff with a chief of police that sets off a manhunt. :: Director: Christian Swegal :: Cast: Nick Offerman, Jacob Tremblay, Dennis Quaid :: Writer: Christian Swegal
[2025-07-28 23:58:29] <kgdrenefort> so american story
[2025-07-28 23:58:46] <Viperlin> Digit: so more refrences to the nonsense argument cliches and claiming unenforcable means something else lol
[2025-07-28 23:58:54] <Viperlin> yeh it's conspiracy nonsense
[2025-07-28 23:59:07] <Viperlin> next
[2025-07-28 23:59:30] <Digit> XD  world view preserved.
[2025-07-28 23:59:39] <Arsen> is it really disagreement if it's not worth engaging with in the first place
[2025-07-28 23:59:50] <Arsen> there was antisemitic conspiracist here today
[2025-07-28 23:59:59] <kgdrenefort> ah, «nice».
[2025-07-29 00:00:08] <Digit> he left before i got to ask him "all of them?"
[2025-07-29 00:00:17] <kgdrenefort> we could think peoples will listen history lesson, sadly, they don't.
[2025-07-29 00:00:25] <Viperlin> Arsen: is it really namecalling to identify conspiracy theories as such
[2025-07-29 00:00:39] <Viperlin> "he called me keith!"
[2025-07-29 00:00:43] <Viperlin> keith that's your name tho
[2025-07-29 00:00:45] <kgdrenefort> Viperlin: if you say it first, basicaly, you win.
[2025-07-29 00:01:01] <Arsen> i mean i know nothing of UK law so that well could be a conspiracy theory in which case, fair enough
<Viperlin> kgdrenefort: that's like last word syndrome
[2025-07-29 00:01:05] <kgdrenefort> yes.
[2025-07-29 00:01:24] <kgdrenefort> but better, because… you do it first so you win since you did it first so you win…
[2025-07-29 00:01:47] <kgdrenefort> it was first a first or first a win ?
[2025-07-29 00:01:59] <Viperlin> Arsen: does it sound remotely reasonable that council tax used to fund public services in the council area such as bin collection is "unenforcable and illegitimate" or is that more likely a bunch of no-law-degrees upset about not paying their bills
[2025-07-29 00:02:10] <kgdrenefort> i'm tired and should shut it up and read.
[2025-07-29 00:02:16] <Digit> i love the extended version of graham's hierarchy of disagreement, with 1 of the 2 extra levels, is "closing the argument", the heckler's veto.
[2025-07-29 00:03:22] <Viperlin> "parkin tickets aint even legal man, cheech vs chong 1987
[2025-07-29 00:03:35] <Viperlin> he used that them strawmans against me i win
[2025-07-29 00:04:05] <Digit> the unfairness of poll tax, is shared by council tax.  and council tax's hastily put together ways has many further aspects that make it even more unfair and regressive.  so it's like it's worse!   many better ways we could do it.   ... and legally now too, apparently, since leaving the eu, which, had made council tax always illegal.
[2025-07-29 00:05:07] <Viperlin> you don't start the "lets improve public services" discussion by repeating a bunch of anti tax conspiracy nonsense. you put forth some suggestions for improvements on spending
[2025-07-29 00:06:46] <Digit> there are many suggestions out there, languishing in indifference and neglect.  what shifted the poll tax was people refusing to pay because it was so unfair and harmful.    ... as is happening increasingly to council tax too.   ... and i find it really peculiar that this is being argued against and scoffed at and dismissed and mischaracterised so hard.  
[2025-07-29 00:06:52] <Viperlin> there  we go "council tax was illegal in the eu" but we were in the eu. also the EU has council tax. some countries do not have it. it is not illegal
[2025-07-29 00:07:16] <Viperlin> further quoting conspiracies and misinformation does not help people beleive you
[2025-07-29 00:10:19] <Digit> iirc, eu took precident over uk's ability to start new taxes in the manner they did.    1972 eu communities act, meant 1992 council tax was illegal.
[2025-07-29 00:10:35] <l3m0r> Hey grok, distill the core argument.
[2025-07-29 00:10:39] <ztrawhcse> I wonder if we could charge a tax on people who complain about taxes
[2025-07-29 00:10:43] <Viperlin> nope, that doesn't make it illegal lol
[2025-07-29 00:11:03] <Digit> like pens make poor binoculars, belief makes a poor means to determine reality.
[2025-07-29 00:11:29] <Viperlin> read what you wrote again
[2025-07-29 00:11:36] <Digit> why
[2025-07-29 00:11:41] <Viperlin> it is relevant
[2025-07-29 00:11:50] <Digit> ...?
[2025-07-29 00:12:00] <Digit> lol, what am i looking for?
[2025-07-29 00:12:09] <Viperlin> the description of your beleifs lol
[2025-07-29 00:12:12] <Digit> what is it you think i need to read again?
[2025-07-29 00:12:17] <Digit> my beliefs?  what beliefs?
[2025-07-29 00:12:53] <Viperlin> the ones from the anti tax facebook pages
[2025-07-29 00:12:55] <ztrawhcse> Viperlin: the dunning kruger effect doesn't allow to re-read
[2025-07-29 00:13:01] <ztrawhcse> occasionally not even to read
[2025-07-29 00:13:09] <Viperlin> ztrawhcse: no they must always play dumb at this point
[2025-07-29 00:13:23] <Viperlin> i don't know what i said, quote me
[2025-07-29 00:13:33] <Digit> lmfao.  wtf.  this is so hilariously devoid of reality.  XD  these stramen look nothing like what's going on here.  XD  soo far on different pages... not even the same book.  XD
[2025-07-29 00:13:45] <ztrawhcse> what is a stramen
[2025-07-29 00:13:52] <ztrawhcse> is that like a kind of ramen noodle
[2025-07-29 00:14:02] <Viperlin> i'm not the one without a law degree flapping a bunch of long word conspiracy theories about council tax being illegal xD
[2025-07-29 00:14:14] <Viperlin> if it is - prove it. Go to court
[2025-07-29 00:14:26] <Viperlin> ztrawhcse: i am gonna have to remmeber that one
[2025-07-29 00:14:49] <Digit> strawman argument, making up the oposition's argument to be easily felled for a easy false win.  then to turn a strawman adhominous, making up the character of oposing debater to assassinate.
[2025-07-29 00:15:18] <Viperlin> see, more conspiracy rehearsed defences - used incorrectly too
[2025-07-29 00:15:32] <Digit> Viperlin: XD  go to court?   XD  this is hilarious.  so now you're asking for what you were dismissing earlier?   XD
[2025-07-29 00:15:37] <Digit>  lmfao
[2025-07-29 00:16:02] <Viperlin> real court
[2025-07-29 00:16:06] <Viperlin> you. not somebody else
[2025-07-29 00:16:18] <Digit> keep saying conspiracy theory.  yeah, use the deeper newspeak where you drop the theory and mean the same thing.  XD  orwellian truncation of language.
[2025-07-29 00:16:22] <Viperlin> have it disbanded for the country and proven illegal and i'll beleive you
[2025-07-29 00:16:32] <Steven_M> Hi All. :-)
[2025-07-29 00:16:35] <kgdrenefort> he Steven_M
[2025-07-29 00:16:36] <Digit> this is hilarious.  so wild.
[2025-07-29 00:16:37] <ztrawhcse> Digit: perhaps you didn't realize I was making a joke about your typo? I don't need you to explain what the Strawman Fallacy is.
[2025-07-29 00:16:38] <kgdrenefort> hi*
[2025-07-29 00:16:39] <Viperlin> conspiracy theory isn't an insult to character or anything - it's descriptive
[2025-07-29 00:16:42] <Viperlin> of the facts
[2025-07-29 00:16:48] <ztrawhcse> also
[2025-07-29 00:16:55] <Viperlin> you are parroting known anti tax conspiracy theories
[2025-07-29 00:17:00] <Digit> ztrawhcse: i did, but took the opportunity to lay that out anyway.  incase there were someone not getting that.
[2025-07-29 00:17:11] <ztrawhcse> the idea that a tax is "illegal" is a significantly more ambitious claim than "the tax is unfair and should be repealed"
[2025-07-29 00:17:25] <Viperlin> i have no problem with that second statement - an opinion
[2025-07-29 00:17:47] <Steven_M> kgdrenefort: Hi, how are you? :-)
[2025-07-29 00:17:48] <Viperlin> "theses taxes are poorly managed and implimented, we could improve them like this" is also fine
[2025-07-29 00:17:49] <ztrawhcse> from a quick google search it appears council tax is basically property taxes with a funny evaluation process
[2025-07-29 00:18:11] <Viperlin> yeh you pay tax on property ownership/rental and they use it to fund local services
[2025-07-29 00:18:12] <ztrawhcse> which also shows lots of search hits for people complaining it is "the most regressive tax ever" and whatnot
[2025-07-29 00:18:21] <Digit> poll tax was illegal.  the injustice of it, the unfairness, was at the core of its illegality.
[2025-07-29 00:18:26] <ztrawhcse> what I do NOT see is people saying the government broke the law by charging it
[2025-07-29 00:18:30] <Viperlin> insert typical maze of beurocracy and complaining
[2025-07-29 00:18:46] <Viperlin> Digit: strawman tax - unrelated
[2025-07-29 00:19:05] <kgdrenefort> Steven_M: freakin' tired after ~6h of driving, then ~6h of works for my first day and then back to my airbnb
[2025-07-29 00:19:06] <Viperlin> tax a was bad, all taxes are bad. logic bad
[2025-07-29 00:19:11] <kgdrenefort> i'm out of energy
[2025-07-29 00:19:30] <CompanionCube> council tax was passed in an act of parliament, no act of parliament can be illegal
[2025-07-29 00:19:47] <Digit> Viperlin: is this an exercise in abusing cunningham's law?   i'm running outta spoons for ya.
[2025-07-29 00:19:56] <Digit> kgdrenefort: snap
[2025-07-29 00:20:18] <Viperlin> it's calling out conspiracy nonsense trolling - factual statements
[2025-07-29 00:20:31] <Viperlin> plus the delusional thinking is entertaining
[2025-07-29 00:20:44] <Viperlin> next you will take delusional and claim it's an  insult but you used it first
[2025-07-29 00:20:56] <ztrawhcse> I still can't get over the claim that a tax is *illegal* because one thinks it is unfairly designed
[2025-07-29 00:21:04] <ztrawhcse> what definition of legality is this, precisely
[2025-07-29 00:21:08] <Steven_M> kgdrenefort: very sorry to hear that. Such a long commute must be terrible! :-(
[2025-07-29 00:21:17] <Digit> lmfao... oh, keeps saying conspiracy.  XD   where's the conspiracy?  XD  where's the conspiracy theory?  XD   so hilarious.
[2025-07-29 00:21:19] <kgdrenefort> nay
[2025-07-29 00:21:25] <kgdrenefort> it's just sucking energy
[2025-07-29 00:21:33] <dblsaiko> don't you have to some experiments to run. like whether flac is lossless or not
[2025-07-29 00:21:34] <kgdrenefort> it's for a new job, good pay… worth it.
[2025-07-29 00:21:41] <Viperlin> the conspiracy is in that the claims are clearly false and illogical
[2025-07-29 00:21:59] <Viperlin> but the beleif persists
[2025-07-29 00:22:11] <Digit> ah, sorry, i've not kept up with latest versions of newspeak.  didnt realise conspiracy had been redefined again.
[2025-07-29 00:22:19] <Viperlin> it hasn't
[2025-07-29 00:22:26] <Viperlin> you think the government is out to get you with illegal taxes
[2025-07-29 00:22:30] <Viperlin> conspiracy
[2025-07-29 00:22:54] <Viperlin> theory = claims that cannot be proven
[2025-07-29 00:23:02] <ztrawhcse> conspiracy theory: an erroneous belief that $THING only happened because of a conspiracy.
[2025-07-29 00:23:14] <Viperlin> clearly the courts are in on it
[2025-07-29 00:23:21] <Digit> belief eh.  projecting them on me?   or actually can identify a belief i have?   i'm eager to hear it.  i seek to exorcise all belief (and disbelief, same thing reframed).  non-belief ftw.  "the mark of an educated mind, able to entertain an idea without necessarily accepting nor rejecting it"
[2025-07-29 00:23:23] <ztrawhcse> I presume that saying that the claims are clearly false and illogical is addressing the "only happened because" aspect
[2025-07-29 00:23:43] <Viperlin> now pretending it' real again and asking me to repeat your claims
[2025-07-29 00:23:44] <Viperlin> boring
[2025-07-29 00:23:49] <ztrawhcse> I don't see where anyone has redefined the word "conspiracy"?
[2025-07-29 00:24:08] <Digit> the government's more out to get me by including me in their soft-kill cull of the disabled poor.  survived 3 rounds of that genocide already.  :|
[2025-07-29 00:24:10] <Viperlin> repeating stupid quotes is also a pretty common trademark for conspiracy theorists
[2025-07-29 00:24:17] <Steven_M> Viperlin: I'll give you a conspiracy theory, LBJ killed JFK!
[2025-07-29 00:24:29] <Viperlin> Steven_M: if i knew what those letters meant i'd be very upset
[2025-07-29 00:25:05] <ztrawhcse> Digit: my grandfather lived through (and was orphaned by) an actual genocide
[2025-07-29 00:25:15] <Digit> bunghole killed john f kenedy??  ... he pulled the trigger?  or gave the order?   ... i thought it was more george bush sr.
[2025-07-29 00:25:53] <Digit> ztrawhcse: oh, so those 150,000+ people killed, were not a real genocide.   ... is this a semantic thing, quibbling that it's democide not genocide?
[2025-07-29 00:25:57] <muffindrake> I didn't think I'd be listening to the man who sang Gangsta's Paradise on John Oliver, but here we are.
[2025-07-29 00:26:13] <ztrawhcse> Steven_M: that's nonsense, Abe Lincoln was the one that killed JFK
[2025-07-29 00:27:00] <kgdrenefort> ah, laughtable, you think JFK is dead ;).
<Steven_M> ztrawhcse: LMFAO :-)
[2025-07-29 00:27:14] <ztrawhcse> Digit: I simply think it's a bit lame to claim that there's a coordinated campaign to murder tons of people because ... what? that there are many people who fall through the cracks of an uncaring world?
[2025-07-29 00:27:16] <kgdrenefort> he's with Elvis and Hitler, on the moon.
[2025-07-29 00:27:51] <Steven_M> kgdrenefort: LOL
[2025-07-29 00:28:05] <muffindrake> That's enough nazi garbage for today
[2025-07-29 00:28:09] <kgdrenefort> ztrawhcse: while they push us to be more numerous. More peoples, more working power, soldier, money, influence.
[2025-07-29 00:28:13] <muffindrake> Please hand out timed bans
[2025-07-29 00:28:17] <kgdrenefort> this theory is so full of non-sense.
[2025-07-29 00:28:39] <ztrawhcse> kgdrenefort: Elvis is NOT on the moon, he usually hangs out at the Domain Of The King, much further out than the moon
[2025-07-29 00:28:44] <Viperlin> kgdrenefort: suddenly i understnd the word nonsense
[2025-07-29 00:28:59] <kgdrenefort> Viperlin: what part made you realize
[2025-07-29 00:29:11] <Viperlin> the hyphen
[2025-07-29 00:29:14] <kgdrenefort> ztrawhcse: or maybe… he's the moon ?!
[2025-07-29 00:29:25] <ztrawhcse> kgdrenefort: you can get there by riding the Perfectly Normal Beasts
[2025-07-29 00:29:31] <Viperlin> kgdrenefort: like when i realised pipecleaners are for cleaning pipes
[2025-07-29 00:29:45] <kgdrenefort> ztrawhcse: … is that cow ?
[2025-07-29 00:29:48] <Viperlin> or that the news is called so because once you read it - it's olds
[2025-07-29 00:30:03] <ztrawhcse> that is Hitchhiker's Guide you infidel!
[2025-07-29 00:30:16] <Digit> ztrawhcse: no.  it was real.  they killed over 130,000 from 2010 to 2020, it was intentional policy.  they sent "assessors" to assault and fraud the disabled poor, cutting them off, letting them starve and freeze to death and die from inability to access medication.  it was an outright eugenics policy.
[2025-07-29 00:30:19] <kgdrenefort> did not read it yet, it's in my library, french &_english
<Steven_M> kgdrenefort: What are you smoking?
[2025-07-29 00:30:22] <kgdrenefort> as many book
[2025-07-29 00:30:25] <kgdrenefort> Steven_M: please, don't ask.
[2025-07-29 00:30:27] <kgdrenefort> :D
[2025-07-29 00:30:38] <kgdrenefort> it's always messy where we talk such things imho
[2025-07-29 00:30:51] <kgdrenefort> note to myself: shut up.
[2025-07-29 00:31:01] <Viperlin> again exaggerating claims does not make you sound more legitimate
[2025-07-29 00:31:04] <Digit> near total media black out on it, until francesca martinez managed to break the silence on question time in 2019... "I dont know if this is widely reported, but..."   could follow the harrowing stories from callum's list onwards.
[2025-07-29 00:31:11] <Steven_M> kgdrenefort: I'm only joking :D
[2025-07-29 00:31:29] <kgdrenefort> i'm too tired for finding this out it seems. Plus it's 1:30am.
[2025-07-29 00:32:00] <kgdrenefort> ztrawhcse: one of my next lecture once i'll stop being obssessed by damn dune.
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[2025-07-29 00:32:22] <kgdrenefort> saw the movie, which is nice, but movies from books are 99,99% of the time… lesser.
[2025-07-29 00:32:25] <Viperlin> Digit: maybe they were just defrauding benefits
[2025-07-29 00:32:26] <kgdrenefort> which is logic.
[2025-07-29 00:32:54] <Digit> ookay, that's like minimising narcissistic abuse.  but minimising genocide.
[2025-07-29 00:33:12] <Viperlin> they didn't die - they just stopped using their fake identities
[2025-07-29 00:33:22] <Viperlin> they can just get a job
[2025-07-29 00:33:48] <Digit> the media, daily mail especially, peddled the notion that 95% of benefits claimants were scammers.  when investigated, it turned out only 0.7%.  they drummed up so much hate.
[2025-07-29 00:33:59] <Viperlin> i mean it's in an established paper
[2025-07-29 00:34:25] <Viperlin> and you claim all these people died but can't prove it?
[2025-07-29 00:34:26] <Digit> so... this kind of thing is okay in here?
[2025-07-29 00:34:32] <Steven_M> May I ask what you think of NixOS?
[2025-07-29 00:34:36] <Digit> wft is wrong with you man?
[2025-07-29 00:34:41] <ztrawhcse> Viperlin: I was wondering that myself, yeah
[2025-07-29 00:34:42] <kgdrenefort> Steven_M: no, it's forbidden.
[2025-07-29 00:34:53] <Digit> Viperlin: do you say the same kind of shit for the holocaust?
[2025-07-29 00:34:59] <ztrawhcse> Digit: I mean you wanna claim a genocide, you should be able to show the bodies
[2025-07-29 00:35:07] <Digit> fuck off.
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